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Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:23:00 - [1] Originally by: xeitgeist Edited by: xeitgeist on 28/06/2011 15:09:05 and what kind of moron thinks lasers have recoil? This kind. Electromagnetic radiation is of non-zero energy with non-zero frequency. Re: Blasters, depending on the mass of the plasma ejected from the cyclotron and how the device is mounted on the hull, visible recoil may or may not occur. But the recoil effect in itself is still there. If it's firmly attached and contains no moving parts, it would affect the ship as a whole and be less noticeable, perhaps to the point of being justifiably neglected in game animations. Depending of course on the ability of the ship itself to compensate for it.
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:15:00 - [2] Originally by: xeitgeist Originally by: Ellen Forestfire Originally by: xeitgeist Edited by: xeitgeist on 28/06/2011 15:09:05 and what kind of moron thinks lasers have recoil? This kind. Electromagnetic radiation is of non-zero energy with non-zero frequency. Re: Blasters, depending on the mass of the plasma ejected from the cyclotron and how the device is mounted on the hull, visible recoil may or may not occur. But the recoil effect in itself is still there. If it's firmly attached and contains no moving parts, it would affect the ship as a whole and be less noticeable, perhaps to the point of being justifiably neglected in game animations. Depending of course on the ability of the ship itself to compensate for it. Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science. I sincerely hope you are just trolling, and that you are not considering physics research as a future career option. Would read again.
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:20:00 - [3] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Ellen Forestfire Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science. I sincerely hope you are just trolling, and that you are not considering physics research as a future career option. It's hard to have a state of matter without matterà It's hard to what now? Somebody posted perfectly good equations a bit above on mass-energy equivalence. Which is completely irrelevant anyway, as plasma is a state of matter. Specifically ionized gas. Which by definition is made up of atoms, ergo it is matter. Therefore it certainly has a mass value, depending on the element(s) involved. It takes a certain amount of energy to accelerate that mass. Which causes recoil. I recommend googling if you require a more thorough explanation. --------------- Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science.
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:09:00 - [4] Edited by: Ellen Forestfire on 28/06/2011 18:10:28 Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 28/06/2011 17:32:53It's hard to have a state of matter (e.g. plasma) without matter (which exists in the state in question). I recommend quoting the right post if you're going to argue a point someone made. Absence of matter was never suggested or implied in any way or form. Unless you deliberately take words out of context, a reference to plasma does refer to the matter that it is a state of. Not to the actual state of matter as a term in the scientific field of physics or chemistry. There is no sense in elaborating to "the electrically neutral medium that is a shapeless form of typically highly conductive matter composed of unbound but non-free positive ions of element X and negative electrons". There is also very little to argue towards troll posts besides pretending to be polite and giving the benefit of the doubt. Ultimately completely irrelevant to the recoil of Blasters regardless. To return to the original point of the whole forum thread, technically all of the main weapon types(projectiles, hybrids, energy and missile weapons) have some form of recoil, but it would be least noticeable for missiles(only relevant to the means with which the missile exits the tube or other module) and lasers(it would take a tremendously high energy beam to produce recoil noticeable to the naked eye). Not necessarily in that order, though. But considering you can see the laser beams to begin with in the absence of an appropriate medium, it should be the least of all concerns in terms of realism. Lasers should be completely invisible in space even to cameras unless it's reflected off something or excites a medium to the point of emitting light. --------------- Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science.
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 28/06/2011 18:17:34 He wrote: ôPlasma is matter, not energyö to which you strangely answered ôI sincerely hope you are just trollingöà àso it sounds like you rather did imply it. Yes, I know the context, but the way you answered that post, you said something that was quite the opposite of what you probably meant. The 'strange answer' was in reference to mass-energy equivalence. In calculations related to acceleration it would be treated as matter. Perhaps it was poorly worded, but I assumed that anybody discussing it would be aware of the old E = mc^2 equation and not claim such a thing except with the intention of trolling around(considering the half-baked insult embedded in it, which is now also in my signature) or by mistake. Hence the comment. Especially considering its lack of relevance to the topic(Strange statement to use as a reply to a post focused on the recoil of a mass exiting a weapon based around a cyclotron). Hopefully it is cleared up now though. Personally I just like the recoil effects regardless of their realism. It would be boring were they completely still. Aesthetics in computer games always appeal to me. --------------- Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science.
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:09:00 - [6] Originally by: 52 MonocIes Railguns, blasters, LASERs don't have recoil. We even have recoiless projectile guns right now. You could also argue, that lasers don't have visible beams in space. That there is no sound in space, and no maximum speed in space. And no, going faster in space has nothing to do with your capability to control the ship at that speed. Those are all gameplay aspects. They are added to make the game more fun, not more realistic. So... about recoil: The point is. RECOIL ANIMATIONS LOOK BETTER THAN LACK THEREOF. Yeah, thats all. All of the mentioned do have recoil. --------------- Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science.

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